And in the spirit - in a way - of both these men, here is a rare gem indeed: Seymour Hersh, a man deemed "the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist" by Dick Pearle, interviewed on the Diane Rehm Show Oct. 1, on an alternative history of the Iraq war and the echoes of Vietnam, informed by insiders:
"This war is not winnable....These people are absolutely living in a bubble. It's their own bubble...When you're idealogues, as they are...I would call them Trotskyites, they believe in permanent revolution in the Middle East, in a way, they are idealistic, in the classic sense...They just happen to be dead wrong....This war...is a strategic mistake. This is a strategic war. This is a war that will eventually threaten the national security of the United States, because we have made it almost impossible, we have alienated so many Muslims....Two days ago I got a call, I've been getting these calls since Mi Lai...."
(courtesy of A Tiny Revolution)
For those without the patience even for radio, there is Jon Stewart on "nerf Crossfire". Some responses to the latest "debate" were posted elsewhere.